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  • Posted On: Jan 4 2004 5:16pm
Oh, sorry about that.
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  • Posted On: Jan 9 2004 4:32pm
OK, we still need a staff ruling on Vontas issues.

Damalis was going to handle it, so perhaps its Kas' turn to make a ruling?
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  • Posted On: Jan 10 2004 2:11am
I'm on th sa..

Whn I sober up...
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  • Posted On: Jan 10 2004 4:32am
I deleted Vontas post because her link was bullshit, it only had her arguements, not myself and drayson ripped said 'logic' to shreds. Its all in here.
  • Posted On: Jan 10 2004 6:48am
Reread them again lup.

You tried too dis-claim my issues and I countered every attempt to rip on my issues.

And do not delete my posts. Doing so is a sore abuse of powers.

It does not matter whether you agree with my post or not becuase ( as stated in number 8 ) you are subject to the rules IC and OOC as well even if you are a staff member.

1) Locking off of hanger blast doors making it so that forces from the ravager cannot enter the ship.

2) Rping getting past said doors taking at least a post.

3) the fact that becuase of more blast doors being closed throughout the ship it would take said forces a post longer then the boarding party to travel through the ship.

4) That it takes more then a single post to start docking escape pods. It takes at least one post to begin docking and a post to dock and then board.

5) the fact that-

"All emergency systems that run on back up power supplies as defined below.

Main computer to run back up systems such as Life support, emergency systems involving atmospheric and weapons damage containment such as the blast doors, lighting, computer systems to restart downed systems. Escape pod control. All are on line with some power source."

More systems are online then just lights and life support as Lup contends.

If one emergency system, run by an emergency computer, is online then all emergency systems are online with emergency power as I defined in my post.


6) That Lup has no right to RP how the systems of a ship that was R&Ded by a different group reacts.

Only the GC can say for sure how their R&Ded ships systems react in a given situation. TNO members have no right to decide such things.

Relating to point '5' above. Lup has defined how Life support has reacted. Seeing as he already has done that several post back it is easier for the thread to let it go. But he cannot define any further systems or how they would or would not react in a given situation.


7) Reconition that C4 has control of the ships main computer seeing as Lup is ignoring that fact.

Command gained not by hacking but by reconition as the highest ranking officer on the ship. According him total system control.

Command status accorded by the GC. As such no one but a memeber of the GC can revoke it as such.

Along with the fact that I bypassed the computer so that command requests have to go through a hub that C4 controls. Allowing him to control the command functions flow of information in and out of the main computer.

As such boarding parties are locked out of the main computer except for what I allow them to access.

8 ) Confirmation that Lup cannot just ignore anything that he sees fit to ignore just for the reason that he does not like it.

"You have issues with my post because i'm ignoring the sections of yours that couldn't possibly work. "

-Lup

Staff members have no right to simply ignore other posters just becuase they do not like what they are doing. They are not above the rules or at least they should not be when rping IC.
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  • Posted On: Jan 10 2004 7:01am
8 issues?

Couldn't you bring it down to 2?
  • Posted On: Jan 10 2004 7:10am
It boils down to one issue actually.

8 ) Confirmation that Lup cannot just ignore anything that he sees fit to ignore just for the reason that he does not like it.

"You have issues with my post because i'm ignoring the sections of yours that couldn't possibly work. "

-Lup

Staff members have no right to simply ignore other posters just becuase they do not like what they are doing. They are not above the rules or at least they should not be when rping IC.


Every other Issue runs on from this one.

Lup's selective ignoring of the actions made in my posts based on his own judgement without challenging them when I made said posts and, thinking that just becuase he is staff and chooses to, that he can just ignore any actions made by another player.

If he had issues he should have taken them up with me OOC before making a post and had a staff member make a ruling on said actions that he dis-agreed with.

One RPer cannot simply ignore anothers IC posts under any circumstances.
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  • Posted On: Jan 10 2004 11:40am
So you're totally ignoring the technical deconstruction of your bullshit?

Please Kas/Ahnk, just read the whole thread.
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  • Posted On: Jan 10 2004 12:42pm
It's four and a half pages of bullshit.

You read it, and tell me the important parts.

You're like my topic on tape.
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  • Posted On: Jan 10 2004 2:27pm
This is everything you have to read that was relevant.

Me

The problem is Vontas entire reasoning behind being able to access the emergency computers is flawed.

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"All emergency systems that run on back up power supplies as defined below.

Main computer to run back up systems such as Life support, emergency systems involving atmospheric and weapons damage containment such as the blast doors, lighting, computer systems to restart downed systems. Escape pod control. All are on line with some power source."

More systems are online then just lights and life support as Lup contends.

If one emergency system, run by an emergency computer, is online then all emergency systems are online with emergency power as I defined in my post.




First, with regards to the computer systems coming back online (the majority which would be located in the bridge(s), which are all ion slagged), explain your source? Escape pods are controlled by individual power, namely in the pods themselves. As evidenced by SW films, doors backup power systems for bulkheads are located in the doors themselves, and at this point would only be accessable at each individual door.

Meanwhile, i find it amazing that 'simply because you are a droid' you can do anything, within a single post. Hell, you managed to cross a massive distance in space (having just engaged imperial forces), changed your IFF signal, got aboard the Yunos and immediately started @#%$ with @#%$. Also factor in the problems of you actually gaining access to the ship, since i'm in the only hangar bay, and you'd have had to break in effectively.

Hell, it took me and Silus a single post to even get aboard, not doing anything, and we're force trained.

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If one emergency system, run by an emergency computer, is online then all emergency systems are online with emergency power as I defined in my post.



Just because you say its true doesn't make it so. Beleiving that is tantamount to arrogence.

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Command gained not by hacking but by reconition as the highest ranking officer on the ship. According him total system control.

Along with the fact that I bypassed the computer so that command requests have to go through a hub that C4 controls. Allowing him to control the flow of information in and out of the main computer.



You are not a member of the GC. You are a hired employee. This has already been clarified.

No military is going to rank someone like that the relevant status for such an action.


Vonta

"First, with regards to the computer systems coming back online (the majority which would be located in the bridge(s), which are all ion slagged), explain your source? Escape pods are controlled by individual power, namely in the pods themselves."

Then by that same logic the computer systems that regulate the life support systems would not have come back online automatically as you had them do. So there are power supplies to other systems.

And, again you are trying to gain information from a downed computer you could not gain information from a computer with no power hence by your own words there is power to the computer.



"As evidenced by SW films, doors backup power systems for bulkheads are located in the doors themselves, and at this point would only be accessable at each individual door."

There is no evidence pointing towards the bulk head power system being independent at each door only that the controls are present at each door to open an close said doors.


"Meanwhile, i find it amazing that 'simply because you are a droid' you can do anything, within a single post. Hell, you managed to cross a massive distance in space (having just engaged imperial forces), changed your IFF signal, got aboard the Yunos and immediately started @#%$ with @#%$. Also factor in the problems of you actually gaining access to the ship, since i'm in the only hangar bay, and you'd have had to break in effectively.

Hell, it took me and Silus a single post to even get aboard, not doing anything, and we're force trained."

IN you last post you Kill all the azguard resistance, Run back to the hanger bay that is several thousand meters away(When getting to that point in the first place took several posts), arrive at the hanger there, board the shroud and leave all in one post.

IFF was changed many posts ago I only alluded to what I did in a previous post.

I landed on a ship that I am allied too in one post and only entered through an escape pod airlock. Also RPing actually docking the ship. The modified aggressor is able to do this sort of docking manually.

traveled to the Yonos 1 post, got to and entered yonos 1 post sending forces on different paths, 1 post to arrive and start setting up said plans.

Done over several post that you seem to not have read.

Saying something IC makes it reality. You knock out all systems with an Ion weapon. Then one system just happens to be online?

If one system can be online then I can define more that are defined as emergency systems just as easiely as you.

Field status rank. Was accorded to him.

And only a member of the GC can say other wise lup you have no say in the matter need I mention that they gave calirrisian an admirals status and han a captains rank off the bat as well.


Me

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Then by that same logic the computer systems that regulate the life support systems would not have come back online automatically as you had them do. So there are power supplies to other systems.

And, again you are trying to gain information from a downed computer you could not gain information from a computer with no power hence by your own words there is power to the computer.




Oh my freaking god.

That, based on my statement you 'quoted', made absolutely no @#%$ sense whatsoever.

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"As evidenced by SW films, doors backup power systems for bulkheads are located in the doors themselves, and at this point would only be accessable at each individual door."

There is no evidence pointing towards the bulk head power system being independent at each door only that the controls are present at each door to open an close said doors.




Actually, considering the number of times i've seen people tweak with a bulkheads power settings to get it open, and due to the nature of the system itself, i beg to differ.

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IN you last post you Kill all the azguard resistance, Run back to the hanger bay that is several thousand meters away(When getting to that point in the first place took several posts), arrive at the hanger there, board the shroud and leave all in one post.




Several thousand meters? Well, assuming its a 6000m ship, maximum distance from Hangar bary is 3000m (assuming central hangarbay). Qui Gon and Obiwan covered the entire distance of a over 3000m TF battleship in mere moments, from bridge to hangar bay.

And the destruction of 20 azguards, in hand to hand combat, who are armed with weapons they have received no training in and (for all intents and purposes) shouldn't even have?

Yes, i freely admit to it. And my apprentice does too.

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I landed on a ship that I am allied too in one post and only entered through an escape pod airlock. Also RPing actually docking the ship. The modified aggressor is able to do this sort of docking manually.



Define 'allied'. Firstly, you're a hired hand. But thats impertinent. More importantly, the ship isn't 'allied'. Hell, at the moment, its only a hulk, so there would have been absolutely no assistance in you're gaining enterence either.

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Saying something IC makes it reality. You knock out all systems with an Ion weapon. Then one system just happens to be online?

If one system can be online then I can define more that are defined as emergency systems just as easiely as you.



When it comes to reactors, deactivating them tends to send an entire ship to its knees. Unlike security systems, life support is the final system that ever gets shut off. To think otherwise is tantamount to being a moron of the worst characteristics. Hell, by virtue of the situation, i'd assume the engineering unit had a local powersource of its own to run systems. Its their job, afterall. Pretty much, you're full of @#%$.



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Field status rank. Was accorded to him.

And only a member of the GC can say other wise lup you have no say in the matter need I mention that they gave calirrisian an admirals status and han a captains rank off the bat as well.



Something given by a GC member. Haven't seen a single GC member post to support you though. Although undoubtedly as soon as this is read you'll have one of them posting, so once again the points moot. And no, you need not mention.

Vonta

1) you ordered information taken from a computer system with no power at all.

You cannot take information from a computer core that has no power. Hence it would have power.

And main computer systems can have a back up powe supply just as easily as any other system. In order to access ship information you need the main computer online so if you access the ships computer it is online.

2) Balkheads have controls that can be hot wired. That is tweaking with power settings to get them open. Tweaking with the power to the doors.

3) Yes and if you can travel that far that fast then I can as well.

4) He needed no assistance to get past the Air lock as I Rped it.

5) It deactivates everything with an Ion attack.

EVERYTHING.

The life support could not have come back on line without being manually restarted.

If it has a back up system then that means that other systems are backed up as well.

More then just what you say are operational.

Heck you are RPing that you know how the systems of a ship that you have no right to decide how it would react, is reacting.

Try full of it. You are deciding how a ship is reacting that you have no control over. The GC would be the ones to make a judgement that way.

Becuase you pull a stunt like this means that I can define emergency systems that would be online just as easily as you.

Blastdoors would be one such system. Losing power to the ship, the blast doors are the only thing that are standing between parts of the ship being vacuumed. An emergency computer online shuting doors to areas that are exposed to vacuum is just as likely as the life support computers jumping back to life a moment after being knocked out by ion fire.


6) Well we shall see then.

Bounty hunters hunting han had free reign to imperial resources. According a field status is as good as do that in a field situation.

I discussed it with GC privately.

Kyric

The Bounty Hunters chasing Han were contracted by Darth Vader himself. The man who was #2 in the Empire. Unless of course you haven't seen The Empire Strikes Back. Which wouldn't surprise me.

Kas

I highly doubt IG-88 would have been able to 'assume command' of the Executor had Vader and the command crew been gassed.

Drayson

Vonta, does your idiocy have bounds?

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2) Balkheads have controls that can be hot wired. That is tweaking with power settings to get them open. Tweaking with the power to the doors.



Thank you for repeating what Lup already said. You could hotwire the doors, assuming they had power. But they don't have power, so...


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3) Yes and if you can travel that far that fast then I can as well.



No, Vonta. Unlike you, Lup has spent many months, even years, studying the Force and applying it to his character. The result is that he is a Sith Master of great skill - as shown by SW canon, even Learners can use the Force to speed their running.

You have no Force abilities, thus no "enhanced" running ability.


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The life support could not have come back on line without being manually restarted.



Wrong again. Life support is the single most important system on a warship. As such, shutting it down is close to impossible. If the reactor fails, backup generators and batteries power life support until repairs can be made.

There are no such reserves for other systems.

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If it has a back up system then that means that other systems are backed up as well.



By what logic? Providing oxygen for a six kilometre warship requires a great deal of power - there is simply none left to spare for other systems.


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Blastdoors would be one such system. Losing power to the ship, the blast doors are the only thing that are standing between parts of the ship being vacuumed. An emergency computer online shuting doors to areas that are exposed to vacuum is just as likely as the life support computers jumping back to life a moment after being knocked out by ion fire.



Of course, the ship's HULL certainly has nothing to do with protecting the ship from the vacuum. Furthermore, blast doors do not neccessarily protect the ship from depressurization, air locks do.

If the ship's hull is breached, the blast doors close automatically. Likewise, if the reactor fails, I'm sure the doors would do likewise in case of hull breach in the future.

That doesn't automatically mean they can be opened again - in fact, Securiuty Measures would make certain that the doors could not be opened, because of the lack of pressure outside (assuming that area of the ship was depresurized, as you seem to be implying).


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Bounty hunters hunting han had free reign to imperial resources. According a field status is as good as do that in a field situation.



As Kyric said, they were hired by Darth Vader. And they were sent to capture (indirectly) Luke Skywalker. Of course they had priveleges! That being said, I do not recall the part where Vader said "You can do whatever you want with Imperial resources."

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I discussed it with GC privately.



Convient, isn't it?


Vonta

By the way staff, thanks for allowing me to be called an idiot, even by someone not involved in said thread...

1) No I am not drayson There are other systems as I RPed it.

2) Phase III droids have rockets and repulsors to travel that fast on.

And unlike Lup, C4 landed near his locations as I wrote in my posts it took him significantly less time then lups boarders to get to his locations.

3) How would you know that is how this ship opperates?

This is not imperial tech it is GC tech. You cannot then decide what the ship does for them. Only they can decide that.

4) And, again.

Life support systems on a ship on a ship require a computer to run them.

Your Ion attack disables all systems. Even the back up. There would have been nothing to turn on said back up system. Said system would have to be manually restarted.

If the GC decided to have such an emergency back up. A decision that that Lup made for the GC.

Only the GC can say whether there is such a system or not.

Or decide if it has to be manually started or automatically.

5) You mean that the hull and Air locks well protect a ship that has holes in it?

There is no proof that blast doors would fail as well.

Or that there is no back up system to close them down.

6) You have no say in the matter the GC has the only say in the matter.

And Kyric should not be in this thread in the first place.

7) Are you the GC, no. Then you have no say in the matter.


And yet he also had the ability to control an entire death star Kas.

Command status gives the right unless stated otherwise.

Kas

*sigh*

Vonta, he got control of the Death Star because he uploaded himself into the computer, and took it over without the imperials knowing about it.

Vonta

And I have control of the main computer by cutting into the lines for bridge functions. If you control the bridge functions you control the ship.

And, with a field status, C4 can have command status in a computer that supplies command to the highest ranking officer (Even field officer) allive on a ship.