28% Hull Integrity for a Venerator Command Destroyer is still more than 4000 RU. That much damage in one post is rediculous, especcially coming from a handful of small ships.

Reason - This was the third post of all my firepower focusing on it. If 13 Birds can be destroyed with all of your firepower on it in two posts, then it is reasonable that I can do the same in three.

Is this supposed to be logic? You're comparing the power of a VCD, 4 ISDs, 1 ASD, 2 ISDs, 4 VSDs, and 12 Shrouds, to that of one ASD/2BDs?

I can't even put into words how unreal that is...

And these shipyards are 40 000 meters long. The sheer tonnage contained therein means that it takes far longer than "three posts" to destroy them.

Actually, no where do the rules state it is "40,000 meters long"

All the rules say is that it takes forty days to build the yards, so as far as I am concerned, it is actually 4000 meters long, and with no shields...

I have been going by that. *shrug*

www.starwars-rpg.net/dlos...ipyard.txt

It appears that a shipyard, on average is 5,674 meters

I am not sure what the 6D or 8D things mean but they seem relatively high for an RPG (I never played the d6 version of the Star Wars RPG, only the d20) of this type so I'll assume they have a relatively high hull and shield count, I'll seek out other sources for this though.

Though they also seem relatively well armed.

But if this source is true, then the rules, as I interpreted them, do mean that it is not 40,000 meters, but is built as though it's 40,000 meters for fairness.

DLOS is spit upon, here.

The 40km thing came from SWF, if I remember correctly.

My apologies, I was unaware. I'll see what else I can dig up.

I did find this though:

www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix...fondor.jpg

All of the previous rules have said 40 000 meters. It's more or less the accepted size of shipyards at TRF.

I have never thought it was 40km. And I do not think it should be 40km, if so it will undermine the courses of innumerable RPs - past, present and future.

So please, let us just continue, the RP is almost done and the OOC forum can finally be rid of our ceaseless banter.

I have never thought it was 40km. And I do not think it should be 40km, if so it will undermine the courses of innumerable RPs - past, present and future.

Your inability to read and abide by what was stated in the rules is not a basis for decision. Whatever you may have "thought", shipyards were always 40 000 meters. We all knew that, so the only RPs "undermined" would be your own.

So please, let us just continue, the RP is almost done and the OOC forum can finally be rid of our ceaseless banter.

No, Griff. Because if this were an ORS world, you would @#%$ about the unfairness of it until someone decided to let you have it, just to shut you up.

You only wish to "continue" because you think you're winning.

Griff, I state the following as a staff member and senior member of TRF, not as a member of TNO or a participant in this debate. This is not an argument or a discussion, just me stating the facts as they always have been and continue to be.

All rulings, past and present, have been based on the presumption that shipyards are 40,000 meters long. Regardless of what you may have thought or assumed, previous incarnations of the rules page DID feature this number, and it was only by thoughtless omission that it was not included this time.

Is that an unreasonable length? Maybe. But it's also the accepted, standard, and staff-ruled length. If it is going to change, it will not be cause the Almighty Admiral Griff has deemed it so. TRF will not alter itself to conform to your presumptions about it.

Evidently, you had a misconception about the way things are on TRF. That's fine -- it happens to everyone. Unfortunately, things will not be changed on our end to consolidate two evidently separate perceptions of it. You are a member of TRF, like everyone else. Not god. Your mere thought does not make it so.

if so it will undermine the courses of innumerable RPs - past, present and future

So be it. It is not the job of TRF to shape itself to suit your stories, but the job of your stories to shape themselves to suit TRF.

Drayson, you are the last person to be telling anyone about unfairness.

Gash: Whatever you say.