Crusade: Desolation of the Dragon (BDE/Almania System):OOC
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  • Posted On: Dec 22 2003 3:00am
Im sure your familiar with occam's razor, the simplier, therefore more proveable solution is that it doesnt say anything about a EM shielding element, therefore there are none.
  • Posted On: Dec 22 2003 3:08am
Note that Occams razor does not always apply to fictional space age technology when a short answer is rarely ever the complete answer for alien techs.
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  • Posted On: Dec 22 2003 3:15am
Again, it says nothing about it, so assuming it might appears merely to me to be a hope of yours that you might stop my weapon from operating. Therefore I submit to you that this is the best way with which to prevent the argument at all.

Unless of course you can prove that it does...
otherwise, Id start typing that post
  • Posted On: Dec 22 2003 3:23am
I gave mine already.

In all of my reading I find that microwaves are just a glorified aspect of the eletro-magnetic spectim.

As such they cannot penitrate an electro-magnetically generated field of energy without first overloading the electromagnetic field in question.


Disprove it then or wait for staff.

Since you cannot disprove me and disaggree with me, so we wait for staff.
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  • Posted On: Dec 22 2003 3:50am
Turbolasers are not pure light, the technical commentaries on TF.net give proof that the light of a turbolaser is an after-effect of the actual laser.
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  • Posted On: Dec 22 2003 3:51am
Thus far, the only way to stop an electromagnetic field is using a magnetic alloy of some sort to cover objects, or of course grounded wires and such.

No where does it say an electromagnetic field cancels out an electromagnetic field. As such you have yet to have proven that any of your devices produce an electromagnetic field of their own...

EDIT: Kas, thank you for that enlightenment, but if you could make either a more immediate ruling on the subject or discuss whats already been said for the benifit of both of us and the continuation, ehem, or starting, of said thread...
  • Posted On: Dec 22 2003 4:36am
Electromagnetic shields produce electromagnetic radiation.

Microwaves are the weakest form of electromagnetic radiation and cannot penetrate another concentrated EM field that generates levels of magnetism greater or equal to microwave energy.

“No. There is a very important difference. As illustrated by the frequency spectrum on the right, microwaves used in microwave ovens, similar to microwaves used in radar equipment, and telephone, television and radio communication, are in the non-ionizing range of electromagnetic radiation. Non-ionizing radiation is very different from Ionizing radiation . Ionizing radiation is extraordinarily high in frequency (millions of trillions of cycles per second).”

TV, radio waves, and microwaves cannot penetrate a strong EM energy field.

Strong electromagnetic fields repulse radio and tv waves. This is the reason that Cell phones do not work close to strong magnets, near powerlines, or around large deposits of magnetic rocks. The same is true with radios and television signals.

Just in terms of mediums. Ion shields protect against Ionized energy, Photonic shields deal with solid matter, ray shielding deals with energy from the EM spectrum as well as energy weaponry.

Something with a strong magnetic charge cannot be penetrated by Microwave energy.

Cosmic rays bend around the magnetic field of the earth. As further proof.

EM fields cannot be curcumvented by an aspect of the EM spectrum the energy can either bend around an EM field. A powerful one may overtake (or overload) another artificially generated field. But otherwise they cannot penitrate one another.

the spectrum goes in this order from longest to shortest
Radio Waves
Microwaves
Infrared
Visible Light
Ultraviolet
X-Rays
Gamma Rays



www.gallawa.com/microtech/mwave.html
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  • Posted On: Dec 22 2003 4:48am
Electromagnetic shields produce electromagnetic radiation.


Please show me where your vessels are equiped with electromagnetic shields.

ray shielding deals with energy from the EM spectrum as well as energy weaponry


and also show me where ray shielding deals with the EM spectrum.
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  • Posted On: Dec 22 2003 4:55am
'Twas commenting, I saw a phrase about shields deflecting light...

Anyway, Gue's Microwave beam thingermabob was designed and approved with the capability to penetrate ray shields. Regardless of what techno-babble comes out here, based upon real physics or not, the tech was solely designed to skip standard ray shields.

Now, particle shields could be different. I read the R&D, and this is the relevant part:

While widebrim angles make for weaker beam dispersal, as does small degree angle increse effectiveness of the beam, this dispersal disregards most forms of protection that dont already protect against other forms of heat radiaton, as these forms of protection (as well as fewer forms of radiation sheilding, non-ray sheilding) are already designed to prevent the effects of solar rays of a similar nature.



I take that to mean, the widebrim angle disregards shields that are not designed to withstand solar radiation, which particle shields are designed to do... or is it Ray shields that protect from solar radiation? I don't recall whether or not shields are raised when a craft gets too close to a sun.
  • Posted On: Dec 22 2003 5:00am
"Ray Shield
a defensive shield used to block or absorb light waves. They use electromagnetic and ultraviolet fields to capture light and drain its power. Thus, they can be used to protect a ship from lasers. They consume more power than particle shields, but serve a much different purpose. (SW, SWSB)"


While it does have an electromagnetic field, this would in no way hinder a DMB, as the field is not an actual shield itself, but a manner in which to absorb light. Which the DMB is not.

No thread holding.


Your own post. Em fields are part of the ray shields. If they deal with light then that means the fields also repell radiation in the electromagnetic spectrim.

It would be better to call them energy sheilds becuase the fact that they repell light with ultra violet light and EM fields also means that they can also repell electromagnetic radiation.


"the spectrum goes in this order from longest to shortest
Radio Waves
Microwaves
Infrared
Visible Light
Ultraviolet
X-Rays
Gamma Rays"


"Magnetogravitic Shield
basic starship protection which keeps a ship from burning up while travelling at near-lightspeed in the hyperthin atmosphere of open space. (LCS)"

-Star war encyclopedia

Basic, meaning that most ships including my own canon vessels are equiped with such systems.

Two types of shields both electromagnetic shields that would repell radiation from the electromagnetic spectrum when in use.