Wrath of the Gods Righteous Fury OOC
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  • Posted On: Dec 29 2003 9:00pm
Theren, had you had several active threads during the time your computer was down, and your opponent had continued to post every 72 hours, you would most certainly have squealed 'cheap' as well.

Jan was on vacation with his family, in all probability he did not have a choice as to whether he was going or not. His parents said "we're going skiing", and he went skiing.

Drayson, back your post up.
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  • Posted On: Dec 29 2003 10:59pm
Theren:

Kas is right, I had no choice(I wanted to go, but I still had no choice on it). If I had said no, I don't want to go I would have still had to have gone. And anyone at GC would not have started an attack(or if we did we wouldn't have used the 72 hour rule on it) or continued an attack against the Bastion Conclave while you were gone due to a vacation or computer troubles. We might not have even done it against another one of your group sections, it depends who owned it and if we knew how active they were(ex: an attack against Yaga Minor would have continued if Drayson had been active, because Drayson controls that section.

In fact that is one thing I admire about TNO. You have enough members to make various sections in your group, and have a lot better communication within your group. I'd like GC to do something like that, but we don't have enough members.

Drayson:
What Kas said.
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  • Posted On: Dec 29 2003 11:44pm
Theren, had you had several active threads during the time your computer was down, and your opponent had continued to post every 72 hours, you would most certainly have squealed 'cheap' as well.
I might have. Here's the difference.

a) TNO is in a variety of threads. We just happen to be able to keep up with them all.

b) I wouldn't have enlisted the staff to roll the thread back like a cheap @#%$, because there is NO provision in the rules for any sort of mandatory dismissal of the 72-hour rule. Know why, Kas? Because this is the god damn internet. Tomorrow, all members of TNO could claim to be going on a vacation and the war would have to be put on hold, while we sat comfortably at home and planned our next move. You couldn't prove otherwise.

Let me put it to the rest of the staff, and to GC, very simply.

GC has two active members, at this current point in time, at least according to the testament of Jan and Dolash. Griff, apparently, is not active enough in their group to defend so much as one planet. So this presents two sets of possibilities:

One, GC does not have the required number of members to actually be considered a group. This doesn’t mean they need to be immediately disbanded, but it does seem to discount any argument in favor of our staying attacks on them for the absence of one member. How is it our fault that GC legally has too few members to even be considered a group? Why is it our responsibility to cater to their rule-breakingly short member roster? This instance also discounts any future possibility of merging with other groups and would necessitate the GC being dissolved at the next active group check.

Or, two, Jan and Dolash are in fact lying and it would’ve been wholly possible to defend this world – they simply used Jan’s absenteeism as a convenient excuse to put off doing so. In which case, why is it our responsibility to cater to their shiftlessness?

These possibilities are mutually exclusive. It’s one or the other, kids; you can’t have it both ways. So the next time group activity is checked or you kids want to merge with another group (like, oh, I don't know, ORS), I'll just be linking to this thread and that'll be the end of that. Alright? Alright.

I've also just got to ask when inactivity of rule-breaking proportions became a defense for special treatment.
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  • Posted On: Dec 30 2003 6:15am
What he said.

Kas: Dolash was very active and fully able to make the one neccessary post in the thread to put off the 72-hour rule until Jan could return and assume command.

He failed to do so, despite an extended time of around 150 hours given in which to reply.

He was posting in various OOC and IC threads, and thus "inactivity" is not an excuse. Dolash is a fleet RPer, and thus fully qualified to defend a planet.

And, as Theren brought up, it was Dolash who was whining that TNO was taking "to long" to reply to threads. Twenty minutes out of a day, right?

Since when are entire groups unable to be attacked because one of their members is not around? I don't remember Theren asking for all assaults on TNO to be halted while he was away, or myself calling for a cease of hostilities when I was away.

Why the special treatment for GC?
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  • Posted On: Dec 30 2003 8:40am
I believe the GC continued to post in their Hargeeva thread, despite the fact that I was away due to computer issues.
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  • Posted On: Dec 30 2003 11:45am
And Dolash posted in a few threads of his own also.
  • Posted On: Dec 30 2003 6:56pm
Note that when TNO members have asked for a stop in attacks for threads that they are involved in the attacks are halted.
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  • Posted On: Dec 30 2003 7:04pm
That's a little bit @#%$ different than saying "Nope, everyone stop, no more attacks" when in fact anyone could jump to the defense of such an attack.
  • Posted On: Dec 30 2003 7:46pm
I daresay, Dolash at the very least has been very patient when it comes to people having OOC issues and not posting.

And when he DOES post, all of TNO pounds him with guilt trips because he's trying to take advantage of their RL situations.

He's kind of in a lose lose situation here.
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  • Posted On: Dec 30 2003 9:30pm
Strange, I don't recall asking for your uninformed opinion.