The NHL Lockout
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  • Posted On: Jan 19 2005 5:06am
If you're saying that NHL players are of no use to humanity then I'd be curious to know what you do consider "of use" to humanity. Only that which is necessary to survive? If that's the case there are plenty of other things that are "of no use" to humanity, and far more important than a hockey player making a few mil.

I said they were ridiculously overpaid for doing something that is of no use to humanity. No, I don't consider NHL hockey useful in any way shape or form. It does nothing that could not be accomplished by any number of different things.

Certainly, it's entertainment. That doesn't justify paying the players millions of dollars. No, I don't agree with paying actors millions either. That Ray Ramano makes how many thousands of dollars per episode is ludicrous! It's stupid.

So is paying a hockey player millions of dollars to participate in a sport.

I'm all for playing sports. I'm all for minor leauges and stuff. It's a great game. But the NHL is a ridiculous organization that overpays people to do something kids do for fun.

There is no justification - ZERO - for paying them the ammount of money they are paid.

I already said what I consider important to humanity. Doctors. Teachers. Scientists. These people make substantially less than hockey players, and yet without them we would be fucked. We wouldn't have the arenas or TVs to watch hockey on without those people.

Hockey players deserve to get paid. They don't deserve to get paid millions. I can justify paying them the same as someone who does something important.

But how can you possibly justify overpaying them this way? It leads to situations just like this one, which everyone seems awfully upset about. It's their own damn fault they're greedy sons of bitches. They deserve to be shafted.
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  • Posted On: Jan 19 2005 5:09am
I'm of the opinion that all players of super-popular sports in the western world are far overpaid for what they do. Randy Moss is going to get over 5 million next year. I can't even begin to imagine what you could spend five million on. My biggest dreams currently top out at maybe five hundred thousand total.

The guy is a complete spoilt child who needs a bend over and paddle.

Overpaid and under skilled. He's good at running fast and catching a ball, and mooning the crowd. Woooooo....
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  • Posted On: Jan 19 2005 8:30pm
Demos, there is however one very apparent justification for professional athletes and high profile entertainers to get millions and that's the fact that they generate so much revenue. Movie stars generate hundreds of millions dollars for the studios that they work for. Athletes generate hundreds of millions of dollars for the teams they play for, their sponsors, etc. Sure there are many positions which are not paid according to their necessity. Janitors for instance.. what would we do without them? To be honest I don't want to know. But does that mean that they should get paid millions? No of course not.

Yes teachers and doctors are both very important professions, possibly some of the most important. But the bottom line is unless a teacher works for a private school or a University they probably aren't going to get paid the big money. Why? Because their jobs in themselves don't generate income.

As for the whole Randy Moss mooning the crowd thing everyone just needs to get over it. The NFL is a game, just like the NHL and all other professional sports. Is it so wrong for the players to have fun? You probably don't know the reasoning behind the mooning. At Lambeau Field where the Packers play (which is where the Moss mooning took place), Packers fans gather around the visiting teams' bus at the end of the game and moon them on their way out. Moss was just throwing it back in his face, I thought it was pretty damn funny. Nothing to make a huge deal about. Now if you want to get upset about something like Randy Moss walking off of a field in a game which they still have a chance to win with 3 seconds left, which happened a week after the mooning, then I'm all for some criticism.

Football's a game, nothing to get upset about.. unless the Chargers lose their first playoff game in 10 years when they were heavily favored to win. In that case it's OK to be severely pissed off.
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  • Posted On: Jan 19 2005 8:30pm
I know, Titus, thats what I was trying to say, in so many words.
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  • Posted On: Jan 19 2005 8:54pm
Yes. Because that insinuation means the end of the world.
Yes and you can tell I think so because of how I wrote a six-hundred word post about it. See if it was just one line, you might think it was just an offhand comment, but it was the sheer length of that behemoth of a post that let you know how important it is to me.
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  • Posted On: Jan 19 2005 11:58pm
Yes teachers and doctors are both very important professions, possibly some of the most important. But the bottom line is unless a teacher works for a private school or a University they probably aren't going to get paid the big money. Why? Because their jobs in themselves don't generate income.
All they need are corporate sponsors.
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  • Posted On: Jan 20 2005 12:25am
Theren Gevel
Yes and you can tell I think so because of how I wrote a six-hundred word post about it. See if it was just one line, you might think it was just an offhand comment, but it was the sheer length of that behemoth of a post that let you know how important it is to me.



You still took the time to post when you could have realized that nobody cares.

But whatever, Theren.





NHL, Union conclude discussion


Jan. 19, 2005

CHICAGO - Representatives of the National Hockey League met today with representatives of the NHL Players' Association to discuss collective bargaining matters.

The meeting lasted approximately five hours, including several breaks for caucuses by the individual groups.

The NHL was represented by Harley Hotchkiss of the Calgary Flames, Chairman of the NHL Board of Governors; Bill Daly, NHL Executive Vice President & Chief Legal Officer; and outside counsel Robert Batterman. The NHLPA was represented by Trevor Linden of the Vancouver Canucks, NHLPA president; Ted Saskin, Senior Director, Business Affairs and Licensing; and outside counsel John McCambridge.

After the meeting, Mr. Hotchkiss released the following statement, which will serve as his only comment: "We credit Trevor Linden's initiative in requesting this session, which was informal, open and professional and which resulted in a constructive exchange of viewpoints."

Mr. Daly added: "We appreciate the initiative Trevor Linden took in arranging this meeting. The parties had a good, candid dialogue, and we intend to talk again. Out of respect for the process, we have no further comment at this time."




I'm getting sick of this "we had good, candid dialogue" bullshit. I really am.

One of them had better give in...
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  • Posted On: Jan 20 2005 2:25am
You still took the time to post when you could have realized that nobody cares.
Pretty much the story of your fucking life, isn't it?
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  • Posted On: Jan 21 2005 12:44am
Its not just how much revenue is generated by the profession, but the demand for those in that profession. NFL teams average myabe 60 players per team and there are 32 teams. That means there are 1920 people who possess enough skill and are willing to do the job they are paid for. There must be millions upon millions of doctors and teachers out there, therefore the one in charge of hiring are going to pay them as little as possible in order to acquire someone of their abilities. If all doctors and teachers were paid as much as professional athletes, everyone would become a doctor or a teacher and we would be out of money.

However, I do not believe professional athletes should be paid as much as they are. Owners shouldn't charge as much for merchandise and tickets to games either. In ancient times going back to the first olympics and the gladiators sports were intended to entertain all, the rich and the poor. Athletes competed for pride, not money.

Quote for consideration: (By dear friend of Bobby Jones)
"Money is going to ruin sports!"
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  • Posted On: Jan 21 2005 1:05am
You just made a very good point, professional athletes are paid highly because they are the elite of the elite. People shell out millions upon millions every year to watch them or to buy the products they endorse. So yes it has a great deal to do with the revenue which they generate because if they didn't then there would be nothing to fuel their ridiculous pay checks. Nearly everyone has the capacity to become say a teacher if that's their goal but to become a professional athlete is far more difficult.

There are doctors and teachers who get paid depending on what exactly they do. But I have a feeling that when you refer to teachers you're talking more about public school teachers and yes I can agree that what they do is very important. If people paid $50 dollars to sit in the cheap seats in your local chemistry class then teachers would be making some coin too.

Really the only way to make athletes get paid less is to start ignoring them. Look at the WNBA for example, they're professional athletes but the top performers get paid what less than $100k a year? Not a bad salary for most people but considering what other professional athletes are getting paid it's a pittance.