I believe that is Bush signing the bill banning partial birth abortion, not abortion in general.
You have some sort of problem with that?
You have some sort of problem with that?
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what a bunch of old farts...
Oh, not at all Kas. No problem with a bunch of men deciding that woman are not allowed to have an abortion, even in cases of rape or incest...
Kraken; that's someone in the audience.
Kraken; that's someone in the audience.
Are you blind?
A ban on partial-birth was signed.
Duh.
A ban on partial-birth was signed.
Duh.
That's because even the quote unquote "Democrats" won't let him pass the Abortion Bill.
And yes, Kas, I have a problem with a bunch of idiot men limited free choice.
And yes, Kas, I have a problem with a bunch of idiot men limited free choice.
You pro-death people are incorrigible and mentally ill. You obviously know nothing about what you are defending.
Wow, Kas. Now that's a defence!
"You disagree with me, therefor you are pro-death and mentally ill."
That's exactly the sort of thing I would except from an uneducated moron with a dick for brains... but I know that description doesn't fit you.
Kas, if all life is precious, then how the hell can you condone killing an animal for sport. Don't give me @#%$ about "I'm going to eat it" - enough animals have already died for consumption this year. They're available, prepackaged, at your local Safeway.
And you can similarly condemn children born through incest to lives lived in grueling pain, the result of genetic diseases inherint in inbred children? Downs Syndrom is just one example, Kas, but it's certainly not the only one.
You actually believe that a teenage girl who is raped should be forced to undergo the pain of child birth (and possibly, death), in order to a) raise a child, thus largely forfeiting her chances to graduate from High School and condeming her to a life of poverty, and b) force a teenage girl to undergo the pain of child in birth, in order to have the child given up for adoption and live the first years of its life in an ophenage, with a hundred other babies and not enough staff to look after them.
Are you simply assuming that abortion is a simple, painless decision for a woman? I can accept that you, personally, do not support it, but not everyone is like you, Kas. For women that want it, abortion should be an option.
You would take that away from them? Take away what is, in essence, a right? A right for them to make their own decision.
"You disagree with me, therefor you are pro-death and mentally ill."
That's exactly the sort of thing I would except from an uneducated moron with a dick for brains... but I know that description doesn't fit you.
Kas, if all life is precious, then how the hell can you condone killing an animal for sport. Don't give me @#%$ about "I'm going to eat it" - enough animals have already died for consumption this year. They're available, prepackaged, at your local Safeway.
And you can similarly condemn children born through incest to lives lived in grueling pain, the result of genetic diseases inherint in inbred children? Downs Syndrom is just one example, Kas, but it's certainly not the only one.
You actually believe that a teenage girl who is raped should be forced to undergo the pain of child birth (and possibly, death), in order to a) raise a child, thus largely forfeiting her chances to graduate from High School and condeming her to a life of poverty, and b) force a teenage girl to undergo the pain of child in birth, in order to have the child given up for adoption and live the first years of its life in an ophenage, with a hundred other babies and not enough staff to look after them.
Are you simply assuming that abortion is a simple, painless decision for a woman? I can accept that you, personally, do not support it, but not everyone is like you, Kas. For women that want it, abortion should be an option.
You would take that away from them? Take away what is, in essence, a right? A right for them to make their own decision.
So... you believe yourself to know more about deer population control than Minnesota's Department of Natural Resources?
The Nazi's had a saying, "Life unworthy of life." They killed handicapped and disabled people just like they slaughtered Jews. They were out to create a perfect race, free of flaws, they believed people with Downs were not fully human. Sad to see America going that way, sixty percent of women who find out that their child has Downs abort.
Who are you to judge that someone doesn't deserve to be born? Who are you to say that that person will not value life just as much as you do? Are you suddenly God?
You sir, are a pawn. About 15,000 abortions each year are attributed to rape and incest. One percent of all abortions are from rape and incest. The other ninty-nine percent of all abortions are for convenience because some idiot didn't know when to stop.
No. Abortion is one of the most traumatic things a woman can go through, it is the most tramatic thing the child goes through.
A RIGHT? You call partial birth abortion a RIGHT?
If the process of pulling living human being sixty percent out of a mothers womb, shoving a pair of scissors into its skull, and then sticking a vaccum into its scull and sucking its brains out is a RIGHT, then you are a sick, sick supporter of serial murder.
Legally, if the child comes one hundred percent out of the mother's womb, it suddenly becomes a human (Magic!), and you are not allowed to perform the murder. However, oddly enough it's fine if the child is still partly inside the mother's cervix.
Doesn't that make you wonder?
Oh, and, just thought I would ask, you compared serial murder to deer population control?
Kas, comparing America with Nazi Germany doesn't work (yet), and you know it.
No, I wouldn't support the outright murder of people with Downs syndrom. But this isn't murder - it's an abortion of a yet unborn baby. It's sparing a child from a short and painful life.
That says volumes, Kas. That's a lot of inbred children and unwanted (in the sense that any rape is unwanted) children saved from growing up in homes where they can hardly be fed, and from dying young.
And the other 1 485 000, most are teenage mothers, yes. But you would rather see them grow up in poor neighbourhoods (where a majority of teenage pregnancies occur), in order to go on to join gangs and die before their 18th Birthday? In the meantime, they'll push America past overpopulation, stress the education system further (and it can't take any more), and general increase crime rates as these people turn to violence...
Kas, you entire argument is based on the fact that life is precious. How can you be so appalled by abortion, and yet gleefully hunt and kill animals for sport.
They're all God creatures -- are humans simply magically superior to all else, so much that we can kill what we want, when we want?
Nice contradiction there, bud.
Lastly, I never said "partial birth abortion". You did. But what's most interesting is that you're relating this entire argument to pba, but yet using statistics from abortion in general... doesn't make sense.
Partial Bith Abortion is an even touchier subject than abortion, obviously, since by that point the child is fully developed. But that's not what I'm talking about.
I'm talking about abortion before a child has developed.
And yes, Kas, I'm still a supporter of woman's rights. I don't believe that because you (a man, no less) is against Abortion, that your beliefs should be forced upon others.
I don't force you to believe my views on God, Abortion, and War, and you have no right to force yours on woman (and take away their right to make their own damn decision in the process), especcially not using the justification of "God said so."
No, I wouldn't support the outright murder of people with Downs syndrom. But this isn't murder - it's an abortion of a yet unborn baby. It's sparing a child from a short and painful life.
That says volumes, Kas. That's a lot of inbred children and unwanted (in the sense that any rape is unwanted) children saved from growing up in homes where they can hardly be fed, and from dying young.
And the other 1 485 000, most are teenage mothers, yes. But you would rather see them grow up in poor neighbourhoods (where a majority of teenage pregnancies occur), in order to go on to join gangs and die before their 18th Birthday? In the meantime, they'll push America past overpopulation, stress the education system further (and it can't take any more), and general increase crime rates as these people turn to violence...
Kas, you entire argument is based on the fact that life is precious. How can you be so appalled by abortion, and yet gleefully hunt and kill animals for sport.
They're all God creatures -- are humans simply magically superior to all else, so much that we can kill what we want, when we want?
Nice contradiction there, bud.
Lastly, I never said "partial birth abortion". You did. But what's most interesting is that you're relating this entire argument to pba, but yet using statistics from abortion in general... doesn't make sense.
Partial Bith Abortion is an even touchier subject than abortion, obviously, since by that point the child is fully developed. But that's not what I'm talking about.
I'm talking about abortion before a child has developed.
And yes, Kas, I'm still a supporter of woman's rights. I don't believe that because you (a man, no less) is against Abortion, that your beliefs should be forced upon others.
I don't force you to believe my views on God, Abortion, and War, and you have no right to force yours on woman (and take away their right to make their own damn decision in the process), especcially not using the justification of "God said so."
I have the right to force the fact that a child is a human being at every stage of the pregnancy upon anyone. Because it is just that, a fact.
You are supporting serial murder, Drayson, under the guise of pity. You say, 'Oh, they wouldn't be able to support it' to the 1.5 million teenagers who have their children murdered. I say 'Perhaps they should have thought of the end result of sex before fooling around'.
If you're not prepared to deal with the consequences of sex, don't do it. Plain and simple, black and white. If you can't figure out how to use a condom, don't do it. If you do not wish to have a child, but yet insist upon having sexual relations, you should be man (and woman) enough to accept the consequences of your actions if you end up pregnant.
All this crap about not being able to support the child is just that, crap. Have the child, and if you don't wish to keep your own flesh and blood, put it up for adoption. Heck, I have an idea, Don't Have Sex Until You Are Married And Are Willing And Capable Of Supporting The Result.
No contradiction. I do not gleefully hunt and kill animals for sport, I do it out of necessity. It's cheap meat, we have a population problem this year, and they destroyed over eleven hundred dollars of carrots alone out of our garden. I already covered this. I am appalled by abortion because it is the state supported serial murder of a human being. Deer are not people, they are animals.
I am appalled that you consider the life of a deer more precious than the life of a seven month old child.
I said partial birth abortion was what was being signed by Bush, and you defended pba.
I uses stats from abortion in general, and if you'll notice I've argued that abortion in general is the crime, using pba simply as another factor in the equation. PBA is even more abhorrent than abortion in any other stage, because it is clearly (even to your fogged brain) the murder of a human bieng. 6000 children are killed each year in the US with PBA, most of those during the third trimester, a period of the pregnancy when the child is fully developed and has a 60% chance and higher of surviving outside the womb on its own.
Do you, or do you not support PBA?
IT'S NOT THEIR CHOICE! IT'S NOT THEIR RIGHT! IT'S NOT THEIR BODY, THEIR LIFE, THEIR DECISION.
Clear enough for you? No mother has the right to choose to kill her child.
Funny, I have not mentioned God here, yet...
The point is simple. You can moan and groan about how pitiful the situations are (one percent of the situations, no less), you can bleed all over for the few special cases that make it to national television, you can scream about women's rights, but under it all you're supporting serial murder. The blood of over two billion people is on the hands of the people who support this dastardly crime.
You are supporting serial murder, Drayson, under the guise of pity. You say, 'Oh, they wouldn't be able to support it' to the 1.5 million teenagers who have their children murdered. I say 'Perhaps they should have thought of the end result of sex before fooling around'.
If you're not prepared to deal with the consequences of sex, don't do it. Plain and simple, black and white. If you can't figure out how to use a condom, don't do it. If you do not wish to have a child, but yet insist upon having sexual relations, you should be man (and woman) enough to accept the consequences of your actions if you end up pregnant.
All this crap about not being able to support the child is just that, crap. Have the child, and if you don't wish to keep your own flesh and blood, put it up for adoption. Heck, I have an idea, Don't Have Sex Until You Are Married And Are Willing And Capable Of Supporting The Result.
No contradiction. I do not gleefully hunt and kill animals for sport, I do it out of necessity. It's cheap meat, we have a population problem this year, and they destroyed over eleven hundred dollars of carrots alone out of our garden. I already covered this. I am appalled by abortion because it is the state supported serial murder of a human being. Deer are not people, they are animals.
I am appalled that you consider the life of a deer more precious than the life of a seven month old child.
I said partial birth abortion was what was being signed by Bush, and you defended pba.
I uses stats from abortion in general, and if you'll notice I've argued that abortion in general is the crime, using pba simply as another factor in the equation. PBA is even more abhorrent than abortion in any other stage, because it is clearly (even to your fogged brain) the murder of a human bieng. 6000 children are killed each year in the US with PBA, most of those during the third trimester, a period of the pregnancy when the child is fully developed and has a 60% chance and higher of surviving outside the womb on its own.
Do you, or do you not support PBA?
IT'S NOT THEIR CHOICE! IT'S NOT THEIR RIGHT! IT'S NOT THEIR BODY, THEIR LIFE, THEIR DECISION.
Clear enough for you? No mother has the right to choose to kill her child.
Funny, I have not mentioned God here, yet...
The point is simple. You can moan and groan about how pitiful the situations are (one percent of the situations, no less), you can bleed all over for the few special cases that make it to national television, you can scream about women's rights, but under it all you're supporting serial murder. The blood of over two billion people is on the hands of the people who support this dastardly crime.