Damn Canadian Air Force
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  • Posted On: May 5 2006 6:55pm
Yes. As the Americans (for the first half of the war) sold said weapons to both sides :P

But anywho....

The Avro Arrow we hold to the most because it is just recently being beaten out in terms of capabilities. Considering how one of the next plans on the list was a lunar lander (and I shit ye not on that), who knows how else history would've panned out if Diefenfucker hadn't screwed us over?
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  • Posted On: May 5 2006 9:36pm
That was actually a good decision. Each Arrow would've cost like 4 times the price of the planes that everybody else was using.

But without Dief cancelling the Arrow the US space program wouldn't have gotten a bunch of smart people and thus those damn commies might've actually beat the US in the space race and what not.

I still stand by the crackberry being the greatest canadian invention.
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  • Posted On: May 5 2006 9:58pm
That was actually a good decision.



That's a matter of opinion, Marth. There are factors which support and deny each claim, be it; Idea Good, or Idea Bad.

Fact - It would have been the best high-atmosphere superiority fighter jet on the market for decades, only to be beaten by true combat craft in terms of aerial preformance. It would have only recently been facing a future on the block or on the upgrade. The cost reflects that, what it also reflects, is that we already had customers lined up to buy the thing before the first prototype was even constructed. And if we'd gone with the Mirage engines... would'a cut the cost considerably.

Great plane. Also had applications in anti-satellite weaponry.

As for WWII.

Britian is an island nation. It is fully dependant on external supply lines. The Royal Navy would have faced almost certian demise had they not Canadians to help crew their ships (RCN - Royal Canadian Navy) & RCAF (Royal Canadian Air Force). Screw the Yanks, without Canada the war would have gone in a considerably different direction without.

And the only thing that makes Americas fighting forces enviable... Lift and deployment capability. It's the only thing that keeps the Koreans from galavanting all over the globe like some. Airlift, water lift, you name it.

And the Avro Arrow had applications as an anti-submarine and anti-warship technologies too.

I say... Idea Bad.
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  • Posted On: May 5 2006 10:49pm
Why are people so in love with Blackberries? I rememeber hearing on the news people were freaking out because the company wanted to have a recall to fix something, and people couldn't fathom being without them for a few weeks.
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  • Posted On: May 5 2006 11:11pm
The Blackberry is a fair utility for the Ideas-Man on the go, or the Constant-Communicator who can't lug a laptop around all day. You take that away, once they've become dependant, and the masses will cry bloody murder.

It's like civil rights. They may not have existed a thousand years ago, but try and tell a North American he or she does not have the right to vote, the right to free speech, or the right to independant religion and you're gonna have a civil fucking war on your hands.

Blackplagueberries suck. I hate that they're Canadian, but I don't mind the institute for Physics that it founded. I'd rather have one malfunctioning Avro Arrow then a million top-knotch blackpussies.
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  • Posted On: May 6 2006 2:17am
As the Americans (for the first half of the war) sold said weapons to both sides


Funny. I don't remember us ever leand-leasing any ships or aircraft or tanks to either Germany, Japan, or Italy. Oh wait, that's because we didn't. I think your getting your World Wars mixed up.

Britian is an island nation. It is fully dependant on external supply lines. The Royal Navy would have faced almost certian demise had they not Canadians to help crew their ships (RCN - Royal Canadian Navy) & RCAF (Royal Canadian Air Force). Screw the Yanks, without Canada the war would have gone in a considerably different direction without.

And the only thing that makes Americas fighting forces enviable... Lift and deployment capability. It's the only thing that keeps the Koreans from galavanting all over the globe like some. Airlift, water lift, you name it.


Pfft. It's a proven fact that Operation Sealion could never have successfully occured. Germany never had the transport capability to take their entire army to Britian, if they were lucky, they could either airlift or sneak across two or three divisions, and they would have been slaughtered on the beacheads. About the only thing they could do to Britian is starve them, maybe broker a peace treaty, and that's it. And then Russia would have steamrolled Germany and France would be under Soviet control.

And your forgetting sheer numbers and sheer technology. AEGIS is still an advanced and superior combat system, we have the best missiles, ships, aircraft, you name it.
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  • Posted On: May 6 2006 3:59pm
But without Canada the Battle of Britain would've been lost by Britain. And then Hitler would've had all day to blow up the British Army.
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  • Posted On: May 6 2006 5:03pm
Park Kraken
AEGIS is still an advanced and superior combat system, we have the best missiles, ships, aircraft, you name it.


Actually, as far as I know the Canadian version of the M-16 is superior, in that it's far more durable. A friend of mine is a military technology nut (has his eye on joining the military as soon as possible) and explained something to me once about how they're built to withstand more extreme conditions. He even told me about a test where they dragged each rifle through a stretch of desert, and while the American rifle broke up the Canadian one still fired.

Could be false, I guess, but that's just what I heard.
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  • Posted On: May 6 2006 5:53pm
True, but what are the chances that the superior weapon can be produced in bulk as readily as the US version to make it worthwhile?
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  • Posted On: May 6 2006 6:10pm
But without Canada the Battle of Britain would've been lost by Britain. And then Hitler would've had all day to blow up the British Army.


Canadian involvement in the Battle of Britian was nil to none. Britian won that air battle all on her own.