Rendili (Drayson)
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  • Posted On: Jan 16 2008 7:04pm
First of all, let's stop this thread from devolving any further. Drayson, if you had issues about anything I'd hoped I'd made it clear that you could talk to me about it. Instead you insulted me in a public forum, which caused me to react in a less than favorable way. I didn't simply claim "I win, you lose, deal with it" as you say. I've talked to Omnae about this for a while now, and as he said, I was well aware that the thread wasn't over and I had no plans of "ignoring" you. But in reality, I have ignored you in many ways because our posts travel separate paths which largely don't have to do with each other. This isn't a fleet engagement where two opposing forces battle it out until one side loses or retreats. This is different.

That being said, yes I have had issues with the thread but I've worked with everything you've written. The only thing I asked was that you edit a small part of your first post that you couldn't possibly know IC. But Beff does bring up good points, there aren't rules to dictate these types of situations. And Drayson, you clearly got upset when Dolash interrupted your threads, so I don't understand why you'd think the Alliance being what... 1/20th of the size of TNO would feel the same way? It's not that I don't believe you have the right to interfere, of course you do. But come on... nobody goes afte Rendili in the several year history of TRF and all of a sudden in your first post you indicate that you make regular visits to the planet? Anybody can retcon a history with a planet, but I never saw any such mention of that IC prior to your post in the Rendili thread.

Drayson, I'm not trying to paint TNO as bad guys or anything like that. But this whole... "if we were really jerks we'd interfere with all the Alliance's takeovers" thing is bullshit. Of course we know TNO is bigger, EVERYONE knows TNO is bigger. And of course I know TNO could interfere with every single takeover if they wanted to by deploying fleets to whatever planet we were taking over. But that's not realistic. Now, if we were going to takeover a planet right next door to Coruscant, then of course we're gonna get our asses kicked.

This whole, the Empire runs everything is not only getting old but it's not realistic. The Empire does not know all, bottom line. Yes, you're by far the biggest group at TRF but you're not the Empire from the Original Trilogy. You control what... 200 planets? How many did the original Empire control? You don't by default control all those planets unless you've actually put the work in.

If all you want is to be a power mongering jerk, then great. Maybe some day you can run all the other groups off TRF and just sit there and look at your imaginary planets you've collected. I've tried to communicate with you when you entered the Rendili thread but you blatantly ignored me. Yes, I know it was the holiday yada yada yada. You could have taken 2 seconds to reply to my PM after reading it saying, hey I'm busy I'll get to it when I can. And that would have been enough. But please don't come here talking about respect and these other things when YOU are the one who doesn't want to communicate or cooperate.

If you want to get involved in some Rebel Vs. Empire threads, great. I'm all for it. I've talked to Wes and Telan about it numerous times. We'll even let you beat the shit out of us (sometimes). I think what you might not understand is that we want nothing more than to work with TNO. But I hope you understand that you're making that very difficult. I don't know, maybe you look at this as far more competitive than I do, but for the life of me I don't. Because there are no rules for "winning" or "losing". There are currently rules in place that are very vague and open to interpretation or inevitable arguing.

But again, I didn't simply ignore you in this thread. That was never my intention. I knew you had a right to continue the thread, but I had no idea what you were going to do, how could I? I've asked, but clearly you didn't reply. So I talked to Omnae and got his advice and I claimed the planet.
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  • Posted On: Jan 16 2008 8:44pm
I think you must have a crush on me, Drayson.
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  • Posted On: Jan 16 2008 10:21pm
Zell
I didn't simply claim "I win, you lose, deal with it" as you say. I've talked to Omnae about this for a while now, and as he said, I was well aware that the thread wasn't over and I had no plans of "ignoring" you.... I've asked, but clearly you didn't reply. So I talked to Omnae and got his advice and I claimed the planet.
1) Unfortunately for both of us, I'm not psychic. So when you made your claim, I saw it as jumping the gun and simply ending the thread. I'm not sure how you expected me to respond when that was the only conclusion I was likely to reach. I mean, my seeing your post and going "Well, he must have discussed it with a staff member and this was the advice given" was pretty unlikely, don't you think?

2) I have seen no effort to try and contact me. I have received no PMs since your first one, no emails, you did not post in the OOC thread, and you did not post in any of the TNO forums (not that I recommend that as a method of reaching me... heh).
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  • Posted On: Jan 16 2008 11:09pm
I can see things have stayed the same in my absence. I'll be back soon.
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  • Posted On: Jan 17 2008 1:15am
Maybe you're right Drayson. But communication is a two-way street, and based on my previous attempts to get your attention not working I honestly didn't even think about PMing you.
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  • Posted On: Jan 17 2008 2:19am
Then don't lie and repeatedly claim you've tried to contact me and I've been ignoring you. That's just plain BS.
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  • Posted On: Jan 17 2008 2:46am
Drayson, you need to start watching your mouth. There's no reason someone who's having a simple conversation with you deserves to be flamed. Consider this a warning.

Fact: I sent you a PM on the 29th, you never responded even though you had time to read it.

Fact: I made a post (this one) on the 31st, which you read but never responded to until the 3rd.

So me saying I've tried to contact you without you responding is not a lie. It is a fact. And you need to start watching how you talk to people, if you want to talk like an adult I'm here, or on AIM, or via PM, or I can even hop on Vent if you want to hear my lovely voice. If not, you've been warned.
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  • Posted On: Jan 17 2008 3:14am
Yes, Zell has a very lovely voice. I will definitely vouch for that...




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  • Posted On: Jan 17 2008 4:19am
Drayson, you need to start watching your mouth. There's no reason someone who's having a simple conversation with you deserves to be flamed. Consider this a warning.
Hmm... so where are the warnings for Beff, Ahnk, and yourself?

just go ahead and assume he's being a douche. I mean, it is Drayson.
I know it's a pain in the ass, and that Drayson is a pain in the ass in general, but thems only fair.
If all you want is to be a power mongering jerk, then great.

Fact: I made a post (this one) on the 31st, which you read but never responded to until the 3rd.
Please do not assume, Zell. The truth is I did not see this thread until after Beff had posted. You might note a general lack of activity on my part in the period (I even made a thread about it that you responded to), with the exception of my "Why I Hate SW" thread - something I received in my email and made a point to post, as it took ten seconds. I did not, at that time, browse the forums at all. That does not excuse me from not responding to you, but my point is, do not assume that I was ignoring you. That is not the case.

With regards to your claims of trying to contact me: your PM regarded the edit to my post, nothing more. Claims such as "I had no idea what you were going to do, how could I? I've asked, but clearly you didn't reply" are simply false, and that was what I meant by BS. You never asked for my intentions or input. Granted, I didn't ask for yours either, but at this point our players were not crossing paths and it was not strictly neccessary.

Now, I apologize if I've offended you in this thread. But please do not think that you are the only one that has been offended by the conduct of several members in this thread - I know you, like Beff or I, can "take it", and I am offended at being signalled out when there are far worse comments in this very thread...
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  • Posted On: Jan 17 2008 5:25am
Drayson we can go round and round about who PM'd what and who ignored what. The bottom line is I sent you a PM, which you clearly did ignore. Then made an OOC post which you got around to replying to after a few days. Fine. It's in the past. What I take issue with is your personal attacks. I politely PM'd you, I politely started this thread. And not once did you ever try to politely resolve the issue, instead you immediately start with the attitude which was very clearly uncalled for. You tell me not to assume yet you had no problem in assuming that I was ignoring you. So, yes you have been warned, and it was deserved. It may even be overdue.

Your conduct OOC towards other RPers has been nothing short of atrocious. That's not conjecture, that's fact. So if you want to start over and start acting and treating others like adults, great. TRF is a hobby not a job. We don't all need to be best friends, but treating others with respect is not an option it's mandatory. Save the "victim" act, Drayson. The personal attacks need to stop and they need to stop now.