Allow me then to end this debate.
The issue of the civilans:
Civilians don't fight soldiers.
Why? Simple.
It doesn't make sense.
Why would a bunch of fat, lazy bums get off their couches, abandon their beers, and grab a blaster rifle and go off to war?
Cause a military attacked a civilan structure?
Okay, let's look at what happened in reality.
Suspected Mulsim terrorists attack Pentagon.
Thousands of civilians join the army. They don't join the war, they join the army and trust their government to make a counterattack.
Thus, they don't fight.
A few citizens grow angry, band together, and rough up some Muslims in the street.
Not likely in this case as both sides are mostly human. Just really don't see it being feasable, or relevent, so let's move on.
A few small people take things seriously enough to arm, and form groups dedicated to the removal of the threat.
This is the closest to what I think could possibly happen, and so I will elaborate on the only possible way I see it happen.
A small group is so deeply upset by the attack that they seek out others to help them fight the millitary that may come forth in a ground landing. They find financal backers and a small few recruits, but they can't find any millitants. Then, by sheer coincidence, they opposition government lands on the planet close to one of thes groups. The 20-odd group rushes them but really makes no difference, as they open fire and chase off the rest of the population. Ralen may then kill them in self-defense, which he knows Drayson would twist into an unprovoked attack, or run away, which he knows Drayson would twist into civilan soldiers fighting for their Imperial freedoms from foreign invaders. Since it's a lose lose situation, it doesn't really matter what he did, but the whole populace would never get involved.
For more than a group of about 20 they would need intelligence and support from TNO, and would likely be armed by them making them TNO agents anyway, and thus making them distinguishable from normal civilans and rendering this arguement pointless.
My Ruling: Civilan populations do not fight to the death against invaders no matter how evil. It is unrealistic. Small bands may feel free to do so, at the discretion of the planets owner. The invaders may feel free to kill civilans, keeping in mind the consequences of their actions. The planets owner may feel free to kill their own civilians, keeping in mind the consequences for them as well. The planets owner may not field a millions-strong army that, when killed, turns more millions into a militia. It is unrealistic and unfair. It will be considered godmoding.
The issue of Joren Ardon, or however his name is spelt:
No.
Allow me to elaborate.
Relan may feel free to roleplay going to AbegdoRae. He may feel free to roleplay finding prisioners of TNO who saw Joren. He may feel free to look about the planet and conclude that Joren is indeed on AbegdoRae.
He may not say however where Joren is. He may not find him.
TNO can say that Joren was moved from AbedgoRae. They can say that they moved him to Corellia if they so desire. If Ralen heads to Corellia they may say they moved him to Coruscant. If he heads to Coruscant they can feel free to say they moved him to Nal Hutta, or wherever.
They may not however say where Joren is.
Neither side has the right to say where Joren is.
Joren is a player character.
As such, he may not be killed, he may not maimed, he may not be captured and ferried about the galaxy as an Imperial handmaiden, being forced to service Imperial admirals and shave them in the morning before feeding them pancakes and sausages.
TNO may not say where he is. Neither can ORS, GC, or the Vinda Corporation.
Only one person can.
Joren Arden.
That's not to say he can come back, say he is Mon Calamari fishing, and hop on a GC shuttle and be free.
He consented to be captured by TNO. He and TNO agreed that from his place of capture, he was moved to an undisclosed location.
That is where he will stay.
By all means, TNO may drop hints that he may be on Commenor, or Bastion, or Dellalt, and Ralen may continue to roleplay chasing him. He may continue to find hints and rumors and nothing, a slight paper trail leading to another world. It makes sense that such a high-profile prisoner would be on a mobile prison. Likely a ship.
The point is... this...
My Ruling: Neither side may say where Joren is. For this, they require Joren's consent. Once he returns he and TNO may agree where he is, and the roleplay of him being freed may continue, and conclude. Until that time, any roleplay attempting to find him, or to free him, cannot end in his release, his death, his maiming, or anything that would require his consent, recognizing Joren as a player character and respecting that status in his absense.
These are my rulings. If you wish to dispute them, you may do privately. My AIM address has been listed, and I would like to consider this matter as an issue of public discussion closed.
Thank you both for your patience.
-Ahnk, the administration
The issue of the civilans:
Civilians don't fight soldiers.
Why? Simple.
It doesn't make sense.
Why would a bunch of fat, lazy bums get off their couches, abandon their beers, and grab a blaster rifle and go off to war?
Cause a military attacked a civilan structure?
Okay, let's look at what happened in reality.
Suspected Mulsim terrorists attack Pentagon.
Thousands of civilians join the army. They don't join the war, they join the army and trust their government to make a counterattack.
Thus, they don't fight.
A few citizens grow angry, band together, and rough up some Muslims in the street.
Not likely in this case as both sides are mostly human. Just really don't see it being feasable, or relevent, so let's move on.
A few small people take things seriously enough to arm, and form groups dedicated to the removal of the threat.
This is the closest to what I think could possibly happen, and so I will elaborate on the only possible way I see it happen.
A small group is so deeply upset by the attack that they seek out others to help them fight the millitary that may come forth in a ground landing. They find financal backers and a small few recruits, but they can't find any millitants. Then, by sheer coincidence, they opposition government lands on the planet close to one of thes groups. The 20-odd group rushes them but really makes no difference, as they open fire and chase off the rest of the population. Ralen may then kill them in self-defense, which he knows Drayson would twist into an unprovoked attack, or run away, which he knows Drayson would twist into civilan soldiers fighting for their Imperial freedoms from foreign invaders. Since it's a lose lose situation, it doesn't really matter what he did, but the whole populace would never get involved.
For more than a group of about 20 they would need intelligence and support from TNO, and would likely be armed by them making them TNO agents anyway, and thus making them distinguishable from normal civilans and rendering this arguement pointless.
My Ruling: Civilan populations do not fight to the death against invaders no matter how evil. It is unrealistic. Small bands may feel free to do so, at the discretion of the planets owner. The invaders may feel free to kill civilans, keeping in mind the consequences of their actions. The planets owner may feel free to kill their own civilians, keeping in mind the consequences for them as well. The planets owner may not field a millions-strong army that, when killed, turns more millions into a militia. It is unrealistic and unfair. It will be considered godmoding.
The issue of Joren Ardon, or however his name is spelt:
No.
Allow me to elaborate.
Relan may feel free to roleplay going to AbegdoRae. He may feel free to roleplay finding prisioners of TNO who saw Joren. He may feel free to look about the planet and conclude that Joren is indeed on AbegdoRae.
He may not say however where Joren is. He may not find him.
TNO can say that Joren was moved from AbedgoRae. They can say that they moved him to Corellia if they so desire. If Ralen heads to Corellia they may say they moved him to Coruscant. If he heads to Coruscant they can feel free to say they moved him to Nal Hutta, or wherever.
They may not however say where Joren is.
Neither side has the right to say where Joren is.
Joren is a player character.
As such, he may not be killed, he may not maimed, he may not be captured and ferried about the galaxy as an Imperial handmaiden, being forced to service Imperial admirals and shave them in the morning before feeding them pancakes and sausages.
TNO may not say where he is. Neither can ORS, GC, or the Vinda Corporation.
Only one person can.
Joren Arden.
That's not to say he can come back, say he is Mon Calamari fishing, and hop on a GC shuttle and be free.
He consented to be captured by TNO. He and TNO agreed that from his place of capture, he was moved to an undisclosed location.
That is where he will stay.
By all means, TNO may drop hints that he may be on Commenor, or Bastion, or Dellalt, and Ralen may continue to roleplay chasing him. He may continue to find hints and rumors and nothing, a slight paper trail leading to another world. It makes sense that such a high-profile prisoner would be on a mobile prison. Likely a ship.
The point is... this...
My Ruling: Neither side may say where Joren is. For this, they require Joren's consent. Once he returns he and TNO may agree where he is, and the roleplay of him being freed may continue, and conclude. Until that time, any roleplay attempting to find him, or to free him, cannot end in his release, his death, his maiming, or anything that would require his consent, recognizing Joren as a player character and respecting that status in his absense.
These are my rulings. If you wish to dispute them, you may do privately. My AIM address has been listed, and I would like to consider this matter as an issue of public discussion closed.
Thank you both for your patience.
-Ahnk, the administration
